It seems as though the Republican voters, and so called conservatives, just can’t refuse to chomp down hard on any piece of progressive rotted meat, the left decides to bait the hook with. Whether it is gun control, gay marriage, and now transgender bathroom use. The far right will drag the entire GOP and conservative base over the edge in a full-scale panic.
Let me make my position, on the issue of “women” with penises, using the lady’s room, perfectly clear. When it comes to government mandates, I’m against it. Not because I fear for my heterosexuality, but because I am against government’s intrusion into how a private business makes use of its own property. If Target so chooses, to allow such things, so be it. And if people choose not to shop there because of it, so be it. Everyone got to make their own choices on the matter.
However, when we are talking about school bathrooms, and locker rooms, and showers, well then it is a whole different story. First of all, most of the students attending these schools have no other option, and since they are also mandated to attend school, they are locked into the public school systems.
And this is where the so-called conservative right takes the bait. They lose their minds and act as if they have no recourse. With President Obama stating this week, all public schools must allow transgenders to use whichever facilities they identify as, the far right has gone into complete meltdown.
Of course when they panic, they fall back on their usual rhetoric, “unconstitutional”, “federal overreach” and “loss of local control”. Again, they act as if they have no recourse, as if there is no local control. But there is, if only they had the courage of their convictions.
I have said this on so many occasions, I have suggested it, to so-called conservative school board members, and every time I do, their eyes glaze over and they start talking in tongues.
It doesn’t matter what the issue is, be it common core, teacher’s unions, free lunches, standardized testing, or any of the other federal or state mandated programs, and yes, even bathroom use. If a local school district, and its board, wish to stand up to the federal and state departments of education, all that district need do, is to refuse all state and federal funding.
I’ll wait for any school board members out there to catch their breath.
Think about it, what control does the state and federal government really have over local districts? Just the money. So cut the ties that bind.
Of course the district should put together a complete study of just what money would be lost, and thus need to be made up, at the local level, or what programs would need to be cut, and then put forth a referendum vote among the citizens within that district.
I’ll wait for the citizens to catch their breath now.
I can almost guarantee, no matter how feverous a person may be about transgenders using bathrooms, if you tell them they will pay thousands more in local taxes to stop it, one in one thousand might say yes. But that would be the cost of local control. It is why we still have common core, teacher’s unions, free lunches, standardized testing, or any of the other federal or state mandated programs.
So why is it, the GOP voters, and so-called conservatives are so easily baited into these distractions? President Obama makes this statement, and all eyes turn to this issue. Suddenly nothing else matters. Not the economy, not the border, not the war on drugs, or poverty. All the far right is concerned about is, who is peeing where?
Again, let me be clear, if I saw what I perceived to be a man entering the lady’s room at a store, I would warn my wife and daughter not to go in, that is my personal choice and right, call it what you will. But what are we really concerned about?
Those peddling fear will tell you that perverts will use this to do perverted things. Maybe, but those perverted things have always been, and will still be, illegal. Just because a guy puts on a dress, doesn’t give him the right to video inside the bathroom. It doesn’t give him the right to touch another person against their will, or to say things to them, or to expose themselves, or to make them feel uncomfortable. The other people in the bathrooms will still have the right to report such behavior to the authorities.
Does the fact we are normalizing such things cause me concern? Of course it does. Do I worry that some pervert might take advantage of this and approach my family or friends in a manner that hurts them? Yes.
However, in the larger scheme of things, are there not more real and present dangers to our children and female members of society?
Shouldn’t we be more concerned with the male pedophiles who prey on children everywhere? Shouldn’t we be more concerned about adult teachers having sex with their students? How about the janitor who pays just a little too much attention to the female students in the high schools. How about that odd uncle who kidnapped his niece? Let us not forget priest. How about the high school wrestling coach, who watches the boys shower everyday, “just to make sure there is no funny business”? What about the neighbor down the street, who peeks out the curtain, watching the children play? And every woman who has had to walk to her car alone at night.
This world is full of dangers, real dangers, and the real danger is, we don’t know which one will play a role in our own lives. Is there a chance someone will take advantage of this? Yes. Unfortunately, I think your child is more at risk in school from a teacher or some other person of trust than they are from a fellow student who decides to sit down to pee.
The real challenge for parents is not how to protect your child from this behavior, the real challenge is how to explain it to them, and help them to cope with it. Much like my opinion on religion in school, I believe religion should be taught at home first. And unfortunately we now have to educate our children about this. One might even consider the two being intertwined.
That being said, I am sure we can count on the left to continue to bait the hook, and the right to swallow it, hook, line and sinker. You know the cat-fish is a fish that swims around on the bottom, sucking up whatever crosses its path. Maybe the GOP should consider losing the elephant as its logo, and consider this instead.
Trump didn’t take the bait, and he’s the leader of the GOP. I don’t think the traditional techniques that the Democrats have counted on in the past will work this time around.
TRUMP!!!!
Really? So on this topic all you have is, “TRUMP”? WOW! And when I wrote this article I thought I was giving a good demonstration of how small minded Republican voters were. But you two have outdone me.
It seems as though the Republican voters, and so called conservatives, just can’t refuse to chomp down hard on any piece of progressive rotted meat, the left decides to bait the hook with.
Republicans and conservatives are now and have consistently been against the Socialist-Democrat’s technique of using blackmail (denial of highway, education funds) as a means of forcing compliance. The particular regulation being jammed-down the throats of the states- trans bathrooms (or seat belts or .05 BAC) is irrelevant- it is the open, unabashed coercion being used by the government that is the primary issue. And it needs to be discussed, not ignored.
Well Rick, discussion is why we’re here. Coercion only works if you take the money.
…the left decides to bait the hook…
Oh, the right never baits the hook with those issues.
Yes Delacrat they do, unfortunately it’s usually the right who bites then also.
As an aside, right here in Delaware, right now, Republicans are biting again, on the bill to remove husband and wife from legal language and make it simply spouse.
“President Obama makes this statement, and all eyes turn to this issue.”
Frank, could you remind me what it was that Obama said in order to make the North Carolina legislature require a birth certificate in order to pee?
Well Rick, discussion is why we’re here. Coercion only works if you take the money.
Few states could afford to lose federal highway funds, and I would guess that the federal contribution to Delaware school districts would run into the millions.
Since the federal government is expanding their use of coercion, maybe states that still believe in a limited government should go all-in by playing the ultimate trump card- secession.
“Since the federal government is expanding their use of coercion, maybe states that still believe in a limited government should go all-in by playing the ultimate trump card- secession.”
and how did that work out the last time? Also–Constitutional scholar-i see in the Constitution how states are admitted to the union, but can’t find how they secede.
Fish Bites, I admit I’m not sure of the time line, but I am talking about his statement that all schools will allow transgendered to use the bathroom of their choice. I think you may be splitting hairs.
“but can’t find how they secede”
Actually, what you will find in the Constitution, and which has always been there, is “The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government…” That clause – the “guarantee clause” of Article IV is the major basis of Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869): “Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law.”
Folks like Rick will normally resort to some bizarre argument that the Second Amendment is there to preserve some right of rebellion – utterly ignoring the power granted to the US government to suppress insurrections, and which has been done more than just in the 1860’s.
I’m sure if the Bundy Gang ever gets out of the federal lockup, they’ll get right on it. Meanwhile, Bombay Hook Wildlife Refuge is just sitting there waiting for Rick and friends to liberate it.
….and how did that work out the last time?
The Yankee men who defeated the Confederacy aren’t around anymore. Instead of US Grant, you’ll be relying on the “Transgender Battalion.”
Also–Constitutional scholar-i see in the Constitution how states are admitted to the union, but can’t find how they secede.
The very act of secession implies a disavowel of the Constitution- it no longer applies, is no longer in force- is is no longer binding. That is what secession is.
Frank unwittingly hinted at secession when he advocated a position wherein states resist government coercion by refusing to acquiesce and comply to regulatory diktats, even at the risk of losing federal funding. This is similar to John C. Calhoun’s doctrine of nullification, a key tenet of secessionist political dogma.
“Fish Bites, I admit I’m not sure of the time line, but I am talking about his statement that all schools will allow transgendered to use the bathroom of their choice. I think you may be splitting hairs.”
No, I’m not splitting hairs. The bathroom panic, when nobody was having any widespread problems sorting themselves out and locking the stalls, started long before the Department of Education wrote a letter clarifying policy in response to questions they were receiving – which has been portrayed as some kind of threat in order to amp up the drama over this mountain of nothing. That letter was sent last week. The noise over North Carolina’s HB2 had been going on for weeks by that point.
At the end of the day, anyone loitering in restrooms for the purpose of bothering other people – of any gender or age in any bathroom – has long been dealt with under the general catch-all of “disorderly conduct”. Anyone actually bothering other people in bathrooms is escalating beyond disorderly conduct to any of various forms of assault, etc..
What’s really crazy is that in the last few weeks there have been various reports like this one, where women are being attacked for going to the women’s bathroom, because someone thinks they don’t look female enough: http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Woman-mistaken-for-transgender-harassed-in-7471666.php
“DANBURY – Aimee Toms was washing her hands in the women’s bathroom at Walmart in Danbury Friday when a stranger approached her and said, “You’re disgusting!” and “You don’t belong here!”
After momentary confusion, she realized that the woman next to her thought – because of her pixie-style haircut and baseball cap – that she was transgender.”
People really need to calm down, step away from the media noisemaker machine which thrives on outrage, and just treat one another decently once in a while.
Just another historical note for you, Frank, this is not the first iteration of this odd obsession with bathrooms.
Back in the 70’s, I can recall our church youth group being visited by a representative from Concerned Women For America, the Phyllis Schlafly outfit, who was telling us that “if they pass the Equal Rights Amendment, then it will mean that everyone will have to use the same bathroom!” Mind you, the youth group was meeting in someone’s house and, of course, everyone was using the same bathroom.
Personally, I’ve never really paid a lot of attention to, nor had much curiosity about, other people using a public bathroom. I had no idea that there is some large group of people who run around peeking into the stalls to see what other people might or might not have between their legs or elsewhere.
Just have three bathrooms….HE….SHE….and IT
…and have Mike Ramone sponsor legislation to pick one as the official state toilet.
There is a big difference in standing outside the restroom while my daughter uses it at “Target”, and dropping her off for 8 hours of school. I could care less what private businesses do with their rest rooms while my child is supervised, it is about safety in what are supposed to be controlled environments.
I am also a little more skeptical on your idea the conservatives are going overboard on this topic. This is an incredibly stupid topic for Obama to bring up in May of an election year. Where does John Carney stand on this. Lets hear him in a debate defend the idea of a penis in the girls locker room. I think conservatives should push the issue, because there are many sane Democrats that think this is sickening.
Note from the real world: Did anyone happen to notice there was a fatality in a public school bathroom in Delaware recently?
Carry on about penises, but none were involved. The actual statement of policy, which is not new, deals with the “consistent and uniform” gender identity of the student, and not someone who has decided to be Queen For A Day
@Dunleve,
You must have been home schooled or else you would know that school restrooms have never been a controlled environment. The activities that go on on in those restrooms would probably give you the vapors. And that includes both girls and boys restrooms. Your daughter is much safer in the Target restroom. Surely you must know that? If you don’t I am sorry for your sheltered life.
Fish Bites:
You are full of sh!t on the “consistent and uniform” gender identity of the student” Read the “Dear Colleague Letter on Transgender Students”
@ Dave. The school is controlled. Sorry you were picked on in the bathrooms in school.
Fish Bites, I would ask you to re-read my post, I’m not sure we are that far apart.
Dunleve, tell me, how have republicans and conservatives fared on pushing these types of issues? legislating morality has been a losing proposition both here in Delaware, and nationally.
The school maybe controlled, but the restrooms are not. It’s difficult to understand why you don’t know that. Depending on your relationship with your daughter, she may be willing to explain it to you.
Sexual issues. Always
I would be more concerned about old republican conservative men like Dennis Hastard getting into the restroom with children
The republican party has always used religion, sexual issues and racial resentments to lull in the people who would have no other reason to vote republican
The republican party has always used religion, sexual issues and racial resentments to lull in the people who would have no other reason to vote republican
Are you kidding? Aren’t professional race pandering operatives like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton Socialist-Democrats- and “reverends?” Don’t you think that members of the “Black Lives Matter” movement- at least those that aren’t felons- vote Socialist-Democrat? Isn’t the president- Barack Hussein Obama- the most racially divisive president in US history? Isn’t “a women’s right to choose” a staple in Socialist-Democrat political rhetoric? Get real.
It seems that several members of the Georgetown University men’s basketball team have filed suit in the USDC-DC, claiming that they now identify as women, and that they were discriminated against by the university by not being allowed to play for the women’s basketball team.
The hard left- and their Socialist-Democrat enablers- continue to foist one absurdity upon another on the American people. Eventually, it’s going to blow-up in their faces.
Ibid.
Blacks are 10% of the population
It’s more like 13%, but no matter. Blacks consistently vote Socialist-Democrat. The ghetto, and all of the accoutrements associated therein- food stamps, drugs, dysfunctional schools, abortion, crime- like Ol’ Man River, just keep rollin’ along.
People who keep making the same mistake with the same results are usually deemed to be insane. Keeping the black man on the plantation- and Socialist-Democrats in the big house- is an extant example of the power of political propaganda.
It is interesting that the Hispanic minority- which is now larger than the “African American” minority- has a rapidly rising per-capita income, despite the disadvantage of the language barrier. Thus, the Socialist-Democrats’ dream of uniting them with their black brethren on the plantation is doomed to fail. As Hispanic incomes rise, core concerns like safe, effective schools and lower taxes will become a lot more important than grievance issues, and there will be a natural gravitation toward the GOP.
“The ghetto, and all of the accoutrements associated therein- food stamps, drugs, dysfunctional schools, abortion, crime…”
yeah, it’s good to get out in the Heartland. Meth, Oxy, and ag subsidies as far as the eye can see.
yeah, it’s good to get out in the Heartland. Meth, Oxy, and ag subsidies as far as the eye can see.
Sure beats Murder Town, Chicago, Baltimore or any of the other Killer Capitals.
” The ghetto, and all of the accoutrement associated therein- food stamps, drugs, dysfunctional schools, abortion, crime- … – rick
That describes the white and/or black folk you hang with, or do you believe everything your TV says ?
population density is the only difference
Most of the angry lower middle class uneducated old white guys get all their “information” from talk radio entertainers et al. It’s pretty obvious who the sponsors are aiming at by listening to the commercials for hair loss products, sexual dysfunction, weight loss, and of course the array of paranoid sponsors selling gold, the club, computer ID protection, home security and other such obsessions of the dim witted. It could be a master thesis in psychology. But hey guys, if you send me $ 29.95 before midnight tonight a letter will be sent in your name telling congress to lower taxes on the job creators lol
Mouse said, “The republican party has always used religion, sexual issues and racial resentments to lull in the people who would have no other reason to vote republican”. Well mouse, from my view, the republicans always seem to be on the defense on these issues, since they don’t seem to be issues until the Democrats attempt to normalize them. Hence my post, if you notice I have of late be an advocate for ignoring the bait. After all, your sin is not my sin. And as I said, the same behavior will still be illegal.
Sounds reasonable for a Friday afternoon. I’m off to Dewey for Happy Hour!
That describes the white and/or black folk you hang with, or do you believe everything your TV says ?
I was born and raised in Washington DC. Now, it’s worse than ever. There are areas where there’s little to make you believe that you are still in the United States.
Try going to a McDonald’s on Kenilworth Avenue or in Simple City sometime, and then get back to me...if you get back.
So you hang with people at Kenilworth and Simple City ? Or do you just watch too much TV ?
ISIS is rampaging thru the Middle East, the National Debt is almost $20 trillion, Social Security is on perilous footing. Medicare Trust Fund is almost gone and the costs of expansion of Medicaid is skyrocketing yet we are talking about a non issue-transgender bathrooms.
The Country is doomed.
“…yet we are talking about a non issue-transgender bathrooms.”
Smoke screen, diversion, whatever you want to call it…. They take us for idiots, and they’re not far off the mark, collectively speaking.
Well, Mike, you are correct those are daunting problems, and we’ll deal with them shortly. We just gotta take a shit first and didn’t bring along a birth certificate. It’s always about birth certificates with you guys.
I don’t care about birth certificates. I do care about a country that is veering so far off course to the point of implosion. Career hack politicians, shrill loser extremists and a brain dead media are hardly the best elements of this country.
SORRY, FRANKIE:
We only take the best quality tuna. Mud and scum-sucking catfish like you just don’t make it.
So you hang with people at Kenilworth and Simple City ? Or do you just watch too much TV ?….delacrat
First of all, you don’t have the slightest idea where Simple City is, so don’t act like you do.
Secondly, if you don’t think the ghetto is full of unwed single mothers, drugs, crappy schools, gangs and so forth, then you must be watching too much tv- PMSNBC in particular.
Finally, there are other resources available other than television- on any subject.
Out of habit, I read the Washington newspapers (online), and the Metro section of the Post is still full of the same senseless rapes, assaults and murders that it had fifty years ago. Only the date has changed.
Washington DC has a much lower per-capita gun ownership rate than any state in the union, and a per-capita murder rate much, much higher than any state in the union. And the violent crimes aren’t predominantly in Georgetown or on Reno Road. They occur in the ghetto. You can twist and squirm and invoke television all you want, but you can’t change the hard data.
Get your head out of the sand.
Rick,
Since the 60’s, I have worked, shared offices, attended school, eaten lunch and ridden the bus with the people you fulminate about..
In all those years, I have never experienced anything like “senseless rapes, assaults and murders”, “unwed single mothers, drugs, crappy schools, gangs”.
I suggest you put down your Washington newspaper, turn of the TV, go outside and make new friends (including black ones). You’ll discover that there is more to planet earth than what’s in the “liberal” media.
Just stay out of those all white trailer parks in western Sussex, I heard they were dangerous
Utah Man Beaten Up By Man For Taking 5 Year Old Daughter To Restroom
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/utah-man-beaten-up-by-man-for-taking-his-5-year-old-daughter-into-walmart-mens-room/
Christopher Adams said his 7-year-old son, Kyler, and 5-year-old daughter, Emery, both had to use the restroom Sunday when their family went shopping at the Clinton store for blinds and storage bins, so he took them both into the men’s room, reported KSL-TV.
They were quickly confronted by a man who did not think a girl should be allowed to enter a restroom designated for men.
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Adams tried to move his children away from the man — who then escalated the conflict.
“When I turned back around, I got sucker-punched right here,” Adams said, pointing to his bruised left eye.
The man punched Adams several more times and kicked him in the knee multiple times, until the father was able to push his attacker out of the restroom and subdue him.
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Adams said he’s experiencing intense pain in his knee, and he may have suffered broken cartilage around his ribs.
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Mission accomplished, guys.
Wait Fishbites, I thought the danger to the children was from men dressing as women to get into the ladies room?
Frank, the actual danger, and this has played out for real – not some hypothetical – is from people beating up other people for being in the “wrong” bathroom. This just happened to a woman who had “boyish” hair because she had just donated her hair to charity:
http://www.newser.com/story/225221/woman-mistaken-for-transgender-accosted-in-bathroom.html
The 22-year-old retail worker in Connecticut says she was harassed in a women’s bathroom at Walmart on Friday by somebody who called her “disgusting” and told her she “didn’t belong there,” the Connecticut Post reports. Toms, who has a pixie cut and was wearing a baseball cap that day, says she soon realized that she was being harassed because the woman had seen her from behind and mistakenly believed she was transgender. “If it really takes me pulling up my shirt and showing someone I grew these boobs myself for them to leave me alone in a restroom, I don’t want to live on this planet anymore,” she says in a Facebook post accompanying what she calls a “rant” about the incident.
Toms says her hair is short at the moment because she has just donated hair—for the third time—to a charity that makes wigs for child cancer patients.
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There has been a rash of these stories lately, as the self-appointed bathroom police vigilantes have a bad habit of getting it wrong and going after people they think are using the “wrong” bathroom.
Must be sad to belong to a party that is mainly concerned about sexual issues