Colin Kaepernick has decided to protest certain aspects of America, which he sees as being detrimental to society in general, and the black community in particular. So, what is the matter with America? What is the matter with America? This is a double-edged question. One could ask what there is for Colin Kaepernich to protest? After all, he is a successful, though maybe not the most talented quarterback, in the NFL, making millions of dollars.
Yet, he has decided to use the very vehicle which made him a house hold name, and has given him so much, that being the NFL, to protest America, and its treatment of black people.
Kaepernick has decided to remain seated during the playing of the National Anthem at the beginning of games in which he will be playing. So far he has done it once, and in doing so, set off a firestorm of condemnation across the nation.
He is attempting to draw attention to what he sees as police brutality towards blacks, and is supporting the Black Lives Matter movement. He says he will not stand in respect of a nation which treats people in this manner.
My reason for writing this post, and for asking the question of, what is the matter with America? Has nothing to do with the reasons Kaepernick is protesting, honestly, I don’t care. My reason has nothing to do with outrage because he is disrespecting the Flag and the nation. For truthfully, I don’t think he is.
What he is doing is exercising his First Amendment right of freedom of speech, and the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. That’s right, in sitting during the national anthem, he is sending a message, both to the government, and to the people of the United States of America.
Now let me point out, I understand that he may face potential losses, both financial, and career wise. The NFL, the 49ers, sponsors, and fans all have the right to take actions against him in response.
He is on the job when he does this, for the team, the NFL and his teammates, that means his actions reflect upon the team and the NFL. If the team or the NFL allow him to do this, then the team and the NFL are endorsing his actions. Fans will have their chance to return the message through the dollars they spend, or do not spend for his sponsors and his gear and tickets.
That is the American way, freedom to voice your opinion, but be prepared to suffer the consequences.
But back to my original question, what is the matter with America? Why are so many people reacting with pure hatred and anger over this small gesture of one man? This is no different from when the Olympic athletes raised their gloved fist in protest in 1968. I have heard many say, “how dare he disrespect this nation, when so many have fought and died for his freedom, freedom which has allowed him to be a millionaire”.
So does being successful and wealthy deprive you of your right to be dissatisfied with the way the nation is going? Many of these same people post endless memes about our president, saying things that are not true, that are border line racist, and outright racist. Is this not disrespecting our nation also?
I would contend, Colin Kaepernick has a better understanding of what freedom means, than do many of those condemning him. For what has he done? He didn’t burn anything down, he didn’t call anyone a mean name, he didn’t inconvenience anyone through his actions. What he did is exercise his freedom. And he did so in a manner reflective of both Dr. King, and Gandhi, through civil disobedience.
I wonder what the millions of people, who fought for freedom, would think of the treatment Kaepernick is receiving now. Did they fight and die so that a person would be condemned for protesting what they see as a wrong? Or did they fight and die so a person, could protest what they see as a wrong? I believe it to be the latter.
Colin Kaepernick is not really the point here, it is the millions around this nation who see themselves as good Americans, yet become political tyrants the second someone steps outside their narrow-minded view of what it means to be an American. This nationalist movement we are seeing in this nation is dangerous, nationalism has always been dangerous and never ends well. There is a thin line between national pride and nationalism.
Well, I think Colin Kaepernick is more American than most. He believes in something strongly enough to put all that he has achieved on the line to bring attention to it. How many of those who are condemning him would do the same?
Well said Frank
I want to agree with you, but what would you say if that Bob Mitchell guy sat through the National Anthem?
I can’t for the life of me figure out why people take such umbrage at whether other people stand during the anthem. I stand during the anthem, because that’s what I believe is appropriate for me. Whether someone else does is up to them.
When did we become the kind of people who get upset at what rituals other people do or do not engage?
There are certainly countries, past and present, where people are punished or shunned for not demonstrating sufficient national loyalty, but I thought we were different from places like that.
So you are for safe places for NFL quarterbacks who want to sit out the national anthem? Part of the idea of the first amendment is exercising your right to free speech, but that doesn’t get you immunity from my right to boo you for doing it. If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen. Next Fank is going to want to give him an award for using his first amendment right! Stop with buying into the liberal bs, you get your rights, but I get to call you unamerican. See how it works??
Bob Hartman, the exact same thing, because freedom is not just for that, or those we support.
To Say It Ain’t So, did you read the post? I said,
“Now let me point out, I understand that he may face potential losses, both financial, and career wise. The NFL, the 49ers, sponsors, and fans all have the right to take actions against him in response.
He is on the job when he does this, for the team, the NFL and his teammates, that means his actions reflect upon the team and the NFL. If the team or the NFL allow him to do this, then the team and the NFL are endorsing his actions. Fans will have their chance to return the message through the dollars they spend, or do not spend for his sponsors and his gear and tickets.”
And what does it mean to be un-American anyway? Is that like RINO? And who gets to decide who is American enough? The same narrow minded people who think only they know what conservative means?
“Well, I think Colin Kaepernick is more American than most. He believes in something strongly enough to put all that he has achieved on the line to bring attention to it. How many of those who are condemning him would do the same?”
Well I think anyone who chooses to fight for our country is more American than most. I also think anyone who believes in our freedoms and country so much that they put their lives on the line to defend us are a bigger deal than someone putting their football career on the line. Frank I believe most of us recognize Kaepernick’s freedom to sit during the anthem. There is no doubt about that. But great thing about our country is we also get our freedom of speech to condemn him if we so choose. We all have the freedom of our opinions and my opinion is Kaepernick is certainly not more American than most. And I definitely know people who condemn his actions who believe in more, fought for more and risked a whole hell of a lot more than career and money.
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Why should professional football players stand for the national anthem.
Nobody else stands for it where they work.
I’m morally outraged that steroid laden felons who knock each other over while carrying a funny shaped ball would use a corrupt gambling driven monopoly that is excempt from antitrust laws to carry out a protest! So glad the airwaves aren’t full of mundane things like how my social security is going to be funded by these millioanires
Kapernick has fallen from “star” to journeyman, and he’s out of the spotlight. Having a huge ego- and a multimillion dollar salary to match- he needed to do something to draw attention to himself. So, he decides to “protest” America.
Most players in the league can’t stand him. And now the fans hate his guts. Except perhaps in San Francisco, where hating America is a regional pastime.
The “black community” has blamed “America” for their own failures for decades. It’s funny how immigrants from Africa, India, Vietnam, Korea and so on- many of whom didn’t even speak English when they arrived on our shores- fit right in and participate in the American Dream within a few years. Yet our home-grown “African” Americans just can’t seem to fit in. They seem to prefer being inter-generational parasites, living off state largesse, or by being professional criminals.
Even now, as we speak, Latinos are moving up the economic ladder, leaving blacks on the lower rungs. They seem to get it. Yet, black “leadership” blames “society.” The black community seems absolutely incapable of looking inward- which is where the problem lies.
Blacks- roughly 13% of the population- commit an outrageously disproportionate number of violent crimes in America. Is it possible that the authors of The Bell Curve were right?
It is interesting to note that many recent black immigrants from Africa just can’t comprehend why American blacks are so violent, uneducated and socially dysfunctional. And if you think about it, it is incomprehensible.
The left’s is always telling us we need to have an “honest conversation” about race relations. Which is code for how we need to blame whites- racism- for black failures.
Well, part of the “honest conversation” must include the fact that in their inner cites, most blacks have utterly rejected education, civility and personal responsibility. Every other economically disadvantaged group in our history has risen from poverty to enjoy the advantages of living in America. But for the African-American, the beat goes on. Well, if you keep making the same mistakes and expect a different result, what is that called? Insanity?
Rick,
Colin Kaepernich does not think it was OK for cops to shoot Philando Castile or Alton Sterling…. and you do ?
“you get your rights, but I get to call you unamerican”
Would you mind explaining what is “unamerican” about an individual living according to their own beliefs?
You can stand on the corner and drool, too, but it doesn’t make much of an argument.
Colin Kaepernich does not think it was OK for cops to shoot Philando Castile or Alton Sterling…. and you do ?
But I guess he’s okay with Jamal Washington shooting La’Quell Huston in Chicago, La’Var McCoy shooting Q’Lexus Montgomery in Baltimore, and so on and so on and so on…to the tune of thousands a year. Between black-on-black murder and black abortion, the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan must be ecstatic.
And let’s not forget how many cops have been shot. Does Colon care?
Some player on his team who has a relative in the military is going to kick his ass- it’s just a matter of time.
Maya uses the go to of those who wish to silence those they disagree with, instead of engaging them to find out what is at the root of the issue.
Those who fought and died have nothing to do with Kaepernick’s actions, it is simply a straw man deflection.
And let me again point out to you Maya, what I pointed out to SIAS above, “Now let me point out, I understand that he may face potential losses, both financial, and career wise. The NFL, the 49ers, sponsors, and fans all have the right to take actions against him in response.
He is on the job when he does this, for the team, the NFL and his teammates, that means his actions reflect upon the team and the NFL. If the team or the NFL allow him to do this, then the team and the NFL are endorsing his actions. Fans will have their chance to return the message through the dollars they spend, or do not spend for his sponsors and his gear and tickets.”
Do you read the post or simply react to what you expect to read?
Thank you Rick for your usual supreme rhetoric.
And by the way Rick, the topic is not why he is protesting, but the complete melt down of those like yourself, claiming he has disrespected the nation by not standing, while you have no issue calling our president all sorts of names. Is that not disrespectful?
@Rick: “And let’s not forget how many cops have been shot.”
I never knew, so I looked but couldn’t find anything. However, I was able to find the number of law enforcement officials who DIED as a result of shootings from 2006-2015. The range is 33 (2013) to 73 (2011) with an average of 52. The number is up to 78 so far this year with about one third in just three states: Texas (14), Louisiana (8), and Tennessee (5). None in Delaware.
http://www.nleomf.org/
I love how you spin things Frank. Do you get dizzy often? I didn’t know I was silencing anyone. I was stating my opinion just like you Frank. Don’t be so defensive.
The United State Nation Anthem is considered a patriotic song. Many people, including most veterans, view it as a symbol of many things and one being to honor those who fought for our country. I’m not saying anything out of some manipulative tactic to win a lame debate with you Frank. Go ask your military friends. You stated that Kaepernick was “more American than most”. You also stated the risks he was taking and then said “How many of those who are condemning him would do the same?”. I simply pointed out that many people condemning him serve in the military and risk a whole lot more than Kaepernick. So really, I was just answering your question. I did not realize you did not want anyone to answer your question. Oops!! You write a lot of posts defending people’s freedom to believe what they want to believe. Well I believe standing for the National Anthem is showing a sign of respect for those who fought for our country. Kaepernick has the freedom to not stand and I would never want that taken away from him or anyone else. I also love the fact I have the freedom to say whatever i want about it.
Maya, the whole point here is to have a conversation, no where have I said others such as yourself cannot express your views of what Kaepernick has done. I am merely giving my views on what you have said. Like others, I find your use of the military argument shallow. I am not sure what you mean by injecting it into the debate of whether he should be afforded the freedom to speak out. After all, your point seems to be, men and women who gave all for that freedom. Wouldn’t that mean also that exercising that freedom is actually honoring their sacrifice?
And just because someone serves in the military does not mean they are the end all in defining a good American. Look at some of the groups formed from ex-military, not exactly open minded and welcoming.
My view that he may be more American than most is my opinion. I feel a person protesting in a peaceful manner is more American than a person who says things like, if you don’t like it, get out.
But who really gets to decide what it means to be American? Would we want Rick in charge of that?
And I’m merely giving my views on what you said. As you can see I never argued the point of Kaepernick’s freedoms. I only commented on the last part of your post when you stated your opinion on Kaepernick being more American than most and stating that people condemning him may not have risked anything. I could see you debating me if I said Kaepernick has no right to his protest or his speech. But you are debating me for my opinion on whether he is “being more American than most” and then stating no one gets to determine that. Did I call you a name like you did of me by calling me “Shallow”. Nope. I just stated my opinion. I understand what real conversation is and it is not name calling and spinning. Well I guess that is just my opinion. Who is to say an opinion is right or wrong? It’s a fact that Kaepernick has the freedom afforded him in this country to do what he did. It is opinion on whether he is “more American than most”.
“Now let me point out, I understand that he may face potential losses, both financial, and career wise.”
I don’t think this guy kaepernick is taking any risks to his career. In fact I think it is the opposite. If he was a starter or even the back up QB it may be different , but I think this guy saw the writing on the wall , and is just throwing a monkey wrench into the decision making process of the team relating to his prospects. Now the team can’t just cut him or there may be some kind of negative ramifications.
American football and the NFL is corporate Mickey Mouse anyway. English football is more exiting with real drama ,and consequences for winning and losing.
And by the way Rick, the topic is not why he is protesting, but the complete melt down of those like yourself, claiming he has disrespected the nation by not standing, while you have no issue calling our president all sorts of names. Is that not disrespectful?
As usual, another failed analogy.
The flag represents the very rights Kaepernick is using for self-promotion. Many men and women made great sacrifices to defend those rights. Kaepernick spits in their faces.
Obama represents the Socialist dream-vision for America’s future. He is the President, but he is not a symbol. The flag is. To compare BO to theology is an absurdity- unless it’s the Soviet flag.
Frank, you are always on the side on the hate-America crowd. Islam, Kaepernick. You are willing to “cross-the-aisle” to shake the hands of those who’d slit your throat in a heartbeat. Very naive.
Correction: …to compare BO to the flag….
English football is more exiting with real drama ,and consequences for winning and losing.
Huh? Losing is a “consequence,” since the object is to win.
36 U.S. Code § 301 – National anthem discusses the etiquette during the anthem. However, it is a “should” rather than a “shall.”
I’ll also note that “men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder” So our outrage should also be towards those men (apparently women are exempt) who leave their hats on. Pull up some videos and take a look at the number of players, coaches, fans, etc who continue to wear their headgear during the anthem.
Outrage needs a bit of discretion because if everything is outrageous, then nothing is outrageous.
“Well I think anyone who chooses to fight for our country is more American than most.” – Maya
Yes, America has made an idol of the military.
I’m a veteran, but I’m no more American than someone who served in the Peace Corp.
America is a capitalist country. Anyone who makes more money than you is a “better American”. It is that simple.
“Huh? Losing is a “consequence,” since the object is to win.”
The main consequence to losing and winning in English football is do to the system of “relegation and promotion”. There are twenty teams in the top level of English football. The bottom three teams at the end of the season get relegated to the next league down, while the top three teams from the next lower league are promoted up to a higher league.
There are actually four leagues in what they call “League football” in England, and the teams in these leagues are all fighting to get promoted to the next league up. The “Premiere League” is at the top, followed by “The Championship”, then “League One” ,and then “League Two”. The Premier League at the top would be the counterpart to the NFL in terms of value and salaries, and once you are relegated from the Premier League it’s like going to the minor leagues in baseball…and It’s very possible that once relegated, your team(club) may not come back in your lifetime.
I really only follow the Premier League and the next league down, the “Championship “, but there are also numerous other lower leagues in England consisting of literally hundreds of teams, and they call these teams non-league football. Almost every town in England has a professional football club. They are all privately owned and independent teams named for the towns that they are in, and they are all looking to get promoted to higher leagues. Just getting promoted to “league football” from non-league football has huge life changing consequences for the team, the Town that the team is in, and the salaries of the players… Eventually getting promoted to the Premiership is the ultimate goal, but it’s likely to never happen for a small town…still they can dream though.
All professional Football cubs in England also play under the governing body of the FA which runs a year long tournament called the FA Cup and sometimes lower league teams make it far enough in the tournament to where they may play a team in the Premier League. This would be like the Delmarva Shore Birds playing a team in the Major Leagues. It brings huge money to the small towns and clubs if by a miracle they get to play one of the bigger clubs.
In the top league… The Premier League… there is also yet another consequence to winning and losing. The top four teams in the Premier League get to play in something called the UEFA Champions League the next year. This is international club play and it’s all done simultaneously while the regular season takes place.
The Champions League is like each country having it’s own NFL, and the top four NFL teams in each country play other top four NFL teams from other countries. There is huge extra money for the clubs and venders in the home towns and cities that host these games.
To conclude, I will also say that every game matters. There are no playoffs. The teams with the most points get ranked as such.
The system of “relegation and promotion” in sports has been discussed many times on sports shows here in the US and everyone usually agrees that it won’t happen here because investors in the US would never put their investments at risk of being demoted. The owners and teams wouldn’t want to incur that kind of risk for losing…. In the NFL, teams aren’t really penalized for being last…they actually get rewarded for losing. They get a better draft pick for the next year…It all seems kind of Mickey Mouse and Disneyland to me.
BTW, don’t confuse English Football with American style soccer…there is no comparison and English football is more physical and played in the winter…usually in driving wind and rain.
Also “club football” is better quality football then you will see in World Cup football in that clubs can pick from a broader base of talent while national teams are limited to their own country for players. It’s like the NHL in that sense. Only the best players in the world are playing top level club football.
The main consequence to losing and winning in English football is do to the system of “relegation and promotion”…. blah, blah, blah…
Losing is a consequence. The most important consequence. In any sport.
Most pro athletes would play for free if there were no pro leagues. Sports are fun, and so is competition.
To me, watching soccer is like watching grass grow, but to each his own.
The reason soccer is so popular in the third world is because it requires no expensive equipment, just a ball.
“Losing is a consequence.”
That’s like saying falling down is a consequence. The consequence is what happens as a result of the fall, and in Barnum and Bailey’s Mickey Mouse Disney Land Circus that is the NFL, everyone is covered from hardship except maybe a few unlucky players. The rest just get the gravy…. I call that a racket.
I played various sports at high levels, and even competed professionally in one sport for a number of years. I respect American football players. Only a small segment of the population has the physical size, ability, and opportunity that it takes to play American football. I just don’t relate to the NFL and the corporate dog and pony show vibe…. Even the commentary seems idiotic to me.
Maya, I think we agree, we are both giving our opinions, as is Kaepernick, no one is asking the other to shut up, some are asking he be punished for it. I am not, though I recognize his employer’s right to do so.
By the way, I did not call you shallow, I called you argument shallow. ” Like others, I find your use of the military argument shallow.”
I have to say how sick I am of how so many people use our veterans as a bludgeon to shut down a discussion like this, and then completely miss the point of what they themselves say.
Example Rick said, ” The flag represents the very rights Kaepernick is using for self-promotion. Many men and women made great sacrifices to defend those rights. Kaepernick spits in their faces.”
First of all, it is Rick’s opinion this is self promotion. But let us think about the part where he says, as others have said, that exercising his right spits in the face of those who sacrificed to protect those rights. But is it really?
What would be the point of the sacrifice, if no one ever exercised them out of fear of this exact type of reaction? Wouldn’t that make the sacrifice meaningless?
Stop whoring our veterans out simply to make a political point.
I understand what you are saying Frank. So understand that my statement of the National Anthem being representative of honoring out military is because that is what I was taught growing up. My father survived Vietnam, so did my uncle. Also my grandfather served under General Patton. AND as an adult I continue to have the belief that when I stand for the national anthem I’m honoring those who choose to risk their lives for our country. I did not use to “whore” our military. It’s how I was raised. That’s all. Its not to win a debate. It’s genuine. I’ll go on my merry way and I will continue to view standing for the anthem as an honor. I will enjoy standing while listening to that tune with chills running up and down my spine. I want to hold on to something positive and good during this very divisive time.
And as for your comment Delacrat – I don’t idolize (which means worship) any human. I only worship God. But I DO very much admire people who risk their lives for others. It’s a bravery, I believe, that is worth my appreciation and honor.
Ok Maya, apology accepted 😉 But you really do need to slow down when reading. I did say you said whore, I said people are in my opinion whoring out our service people by using them as a bludgeon.
It’s fine if all you think about is military service when you hear the anthem. Personally I see it with broader meaning. It represents all of the freedom we enjoy, and all who have sacrificed, not just in military service. Like the Freedom Marchers and Dr. King, even the anti-war protesters of the Vietnam era. It represents the men and women who get up everyday and go to work and raise families. It represents the children of tomorrow. It represents the hope of a better time, and a reminder of what we have endured.
And yes, sometimes it represents the freedom to be negative. Like the American NAZI party, skin heads, KKK, BLM Donald Trump and so many more things that in my view go against what we stand for. But if we attempt to silence them through intimidation or shame, or retribution, haven’t we become that which we hold in distain?
“I don’t idolize…….. I DO very much admire” – maya
Yeah, well there are no flag and song rituals for anyone else you just “admire”.
“… no one is asking the other to shut up, some are asking he[Kaepernick] be punished for it. I am not, though I recognize his employer’s right to do so.” – Frank
If you allow an employer the “right” to punish employees for exercising the right of free speech, then said right is no more than a temporary privilege.
Delacrat, our Constitutional rights do not extend to our jobs. Would you expect an employer to stand by while I told everyone that the competition was better? The issue is, Kaepernick is on the job, wearing the uniform. If a Burger King employee at the counter told people to eat at Wendy’s they would lose their job.
If he was merely talking to the press on his own time? Different issue, unless there is a clause in his contract which he willingly entered into.
“…our Constitutional rights do not extend to our jobs.” – Frank
Therein lies a very pernicious notion and reality..
“Would you expect an employer to stand by while I told everyone that the competition was better?” – Frank
I don’t know what Kaepernick said that could be construed as “the competition is better”.
Besides, in this wonderful “land-of-the-free” of ours, an at-will employee can be discharged for any reason or no reason, job related or not, the First Amendment be damned.
That’s like saying falling down is a consequence…
Huh? What does falling down have to do with the consequences of losing games?
For someone who played sports, you sure don’t seem to understand the fundemental reason for playing competitively. The whole point of playing a game, especially at the pro level, is to win. Period.
At the pro level you are playing for the team, the city, the fans, the coaches and yourself. And everybody is expecting a performance from everyone involved that will lead to wins. That’s why Vince Lombardi said “winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”
And if you don’t like football, who cares? it’s the most popular pro sport in the United States.
[Like you, I also played sports- football and baseball at the Division I level. And at 64, I can still skimboard.]
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I will agree with one thing Kaepernick said. Hillary should be in jail.
I also agree with what pro football legend and activist Jim Brown said; that a black man could not be elected to the office of president- twice- in an inherently racist nation.
CHICAGO (CBS) — A 24-year-old man was killed and a 23-year-old man was grazed by a bullet in a shooting in the West Lawn neighborhood late Wednesday night, capping off the most violent month in Chicago in 20 years….Chicago police said there were 90 homicides in August, and a total of 472 people shot in 384 separate attacks. The city has not had that many murders in one month since August 1996.
How many of the perpetrators were “people of color?” How many of the victims were “people of color?”
Where is Colon?
Delacrat, the “competition” was just an example, the point is, if an employee does something counter to the wishes of the employer while on the job and in uniform, then they are subject to the repercussions. As it should be.
” if an employee does something counter to the wishes of the employer while on the job and in uniform, then they are subject to the repercussions”” – Frank
In reality, employees are subject to repercussions irrespective of whether they’re on the job, in or out of uniform.
If the boss wants you gone because of whatever you say, where you said it or what you’re wearing does not matter. Under at-will employment contracts, you’re gone, the First Amendment be damned.
“Under at-will employment contracts, you’re gone, the First Amendment be damned.”
A review of the First Amendment would be useful here. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Congress made no law regarding standing for the national anthem at football games. The NFL has not either, but they could. And each and every employee of the NFL would be bound by those rules or suffer the consequences. Just as every other employee would be bound working for any business. Title VII notwithstanding, all those rights embodied in the amendment may be subject to limitations in the work place
Congress made no law requiring school prayer, either.
Delacrat, I am in full agreement with you about how at will works. The difference is, I support it. And this coming form someone who recently was subject to it’s use. Life goes on, la,la,la,la, la, life goes on.
Dave is correct, the First Amendment is to restrict Congress, i.e. government, form restricting my rights of freedom of speech. Though I am still trying to work out the whole public library issue.
Frank,
If at-will-employment trumps the First Amendment, then the only permissible opinions are of the “cornpone” variety.
“You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.” – Mark Twain
Delacrat, if there were no at will employment , employers would be stuck with lazy non productive dishonest employees. Oh wait, are you in favor of unions?
“if there were no at will employment , employers would be stuck with lazy non productive dishonest employees.” – Frank
Wrong. There is still for-cause discharge.
” I am in full agreement with you about how at will works. The difference is, I support it. And this coming form someone who recently was subject to it’s use.” – Frank
My recollection is that you were let go “for-cause” (bad driving) not because you were “lazy non productive or dishonest”. Or are we mistaken ?
But if there were no at will, the definition of cause becomes relative.
“But if there were no at will, the definition of cause becomes relative.”
You’re reachin’, frank
Not really. If an employer has to justify why they fire someone, then who defines what is legitimate cause? The government? The unions? Surely not the employer that puts us back at , at will.
A perfect extant example of the general stupidity of the promoters of anarchy dominating the “music” business in America today. From rapper T.I…
“The Constitution and Emancipation Proclamation’s just a fu*kin’ piece of paper.”
This is the statement of an ignorant leftist, plain and simple. Just a piece of paper.
I notice Kaepernick wore a Fidel Castro t-shirt at his press conference. I’m sure the people of Cuba would have loved to enjoy the protections of our “piece of paper” as they were hauled off to prison- or to the firing squad- merely for expressing a political opinion. I guess the left prefers dictatorship.
With internal enemies of freedom on our shores- T.I., Kaepernick and the rest of the left in general- who needs Russia or radical Islam. We will be destroyed from within.
“I notice Kaepernick wore a Fidel Castro t-shirt “ – rick
I notice the US has re-established diplomatic relations with Cuba !
“With internal enemies of freedom on our shores- T.I., Kaepernick and the rest of the left in general- who needs Russia or radical Islam. We will be destroyed from within.” – rick
Are you hiding under the bed ?
” If an employer has to justify why they fire someone, then who defines what is legitimate cause? The government? The unions? “ – Frank
Frank ,
Don’t worry about an employer finding a legitimate cause.
Hell, they found one to can you.
Delacrat, you keep poking so I will address it. Yes my former employer fired me. In case you missed it at the time, here is the post I wrote about it. In my case termination was warranted. And notice I didn’t even mention my former employer, or take a cheap shot.
My case does not make your case against at will employment. But thanks for your concern.
http://www.delawareright.com/personal-responsibility/#more-3570
I notice the US has re-established diplomatic relations with Cuba !
Obama- a dedicated follower of the Marxist Saul Alinsky- restored relations with Cuba.
So I guess what you are saying is that you support a ruthless dictator who has murdered thousands merely for expressing a political opinion contrary to Marxist orthodoxy. A man who still has political prisoners languishing in Cuban jails. A fool who has directed an economy for sixty years that has provided only sustenance level of existence for the general population, and that only with massive Soviet aid- while the ruling elite live like kings.
Delacrat, you are a doddering fool. Now, put on your Che t-shirt (another coward-murderer).
Frank,
“” If an employer has to justify why they fire someone, then who defines what is legitimate cause? The government? The unions? “ – Frank
Canada and Montana do not have “at-will”.
Canada and Montana are not tied in economic or philosophical knots.
You did not answer the question. Who get to decide what is just cause?
Frank,
If Montana and Canada can decide what’s just cause, so can Delaware or the Federal Government.
Us that your way if saying you would put government in charge of deciding just cause?
Frank, you’re dealing with a simpleton who supports the Casto regime, and by inference, a police state, torture and murder. Remember, Cuba is the ideal which Socialist-Democrats strive to immmulate. An omnipotent ruling elite dictating the rules to the masses while living the lifestyle of the King and his court.
The left is dangerous, as are their clueless facilitators like delacrat.
As the sheep of the left bleat;
“So she’s a liar. She’s our liar !”
“Us that your way if saying you would put government in charge of deciding just cause?” – Frank
Frank,
Governments decide stuff everyday.
Well, it looks like Colon can sit during the game, too. According to NFL.com, he’s officially a backup.
While all the angry white rubes burn their energy worrying about this kind of crap, the 1% is hoarding trillions in tax havens and stealing your social security while getting tax cuts.