Lord, we thank you for this day, we thank you for the things you give, and understand the ones you take away. We understand that all things come from you, and must return to you. Please see the strength of our faith, for our faith is our strength.
Lord, we pray for the souls of innocent, we pray for souls of the lost, we pray for the souls of our enemies, the same as we pray for the souls of our family and friends, and for ourselves we pray only your forgiveness.
Lord, please grant us the strength, wisdom and patience to see us through these trying times. Amen
Frank,
“We pray for the souls of our enemies”
It is great to see that there is one day of the year wherein you are not actively persecuting your enemies. Let us pray you may pursue this trait throughout the rest of the year. Love God, love your neighbor even if he is your enemy. It is just that simple.
How about praying in the name of Jesus Christ Frank. Maybe then the prayer would have some real power.
I see that you have survived another Thanksgiving; that’s good because Thanksgiving for turkeys has a very low survival rate.
WOW! Aren’t we proud of ourselves?
YADONTSAY, you say, “It is great to see that there is one day of the year wherein you are not actively persecuting your enemies.” Yet you couldn’t take even one day off from throwing a grenade.
Also, I can pray for the soul of my enemy, even as I defend myself from whatever I perceive as a threat to me or mine. I can opposed someone politically without opposing them morally, it is only the small minded people whose only defense against honest straightforward opposition, is to accuse the other of personal dislike of the person they oppose.
Moabite, good to see the God Squad sent someone to police how someone else prays. But let me ask you something, though I know the higher levels of though leave you unable to converse in anything beyond name calling.
Let me show you something I think you will recognize since you have placed yourself as a Biblical scholar.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen
This is, as I am sure you know, is Matthew 6:9-13, this is the place in the Bible where Jesus instructs us in what manner we are to pray, could you please show me where at anytime did Jesus instruct us to pray in his name?
I will be waiting, now be warned, I have had about my fill of people who come here only to make nasty base insults, so if you would like to discuss the Bible in an intelligent and adult manner, then let’s go.
Gotta admit, that was a pretty good comeback, Frank! 🙂 Hope you and your family had a nice Thanksgiving.
@Moabite: “I see that you have survived another Thanksgiving; that’s good because Thanksgiving for turkeys has a very low survival rate.”
My oh my. Very tortured prose here. Thanksgiving does not have a very low survival rate. Moabite is trying to say that turkeys have a very low survival rate because of Thanksgiving.
Frank
Many are now saying that you have it in for serious practicing Christians and conservatives, and I can see by the track of who you persecute that this is absolutely true.
It is almost listening to comedy hour for you to portray yourself as a Christian when the only people you continuously attack are Christians. You are such a hypocrite. Even your snappy comebacks are ineffectual because you don’t practice what you preach.
If you were ever indicted for being a Christian, there would not be enough evidence to convict you.
Your actions condemn you Sir, not my words.
@Moabite: “It is almost listening to comedy hour for you to portray yourself as a Christian when the only people you continuously attack are Christians.”
Who in public life in Sussex County does not profess to be a Christian? Can’t think of a one.
Honi the bigger question is, what qualifies them to tell others how to pray. I mean are they certified or ordained?
@Frank. No, they are self ordained. Means they make stuff up, like rules for the Sussex County GOP, then ignore the rules. Like a false belief in Christ, for their gain. God has a plan for these folk.
Moabite, you say, “Frank
Many are now saying that you have it in for serious practicing Christians and conservatives, and I can see by the track of who you persecute that this is absolutely true.”
First of all why don’t you list a few of those you feel I have “persecuted”, so that we can see exactly what your definition of a “serious practicing” Christians is.
And I again ask you your qualifications for judging the level of anyone’s Christianity, I would refer you to 1Corinthians 4:4 “My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.”
I have never claimed to be a perfect anything, except maybe a perfect ass, but never a perfect Christian, we are all broken.
As for the many who are saying this? Well I know the God Squad, those self righteous few who think they are perfect Christians. So let me tell you my view of so called “serious practicing” Christians, they are usually the biggest hypocrites of all. Those who are constantly telling everybody what great Christian Conservatives they are, all the while they are child molesters, or abusers of woman, or out and out liars and racist, hoping to secure some tiny square of power.
No you can have your so called serious practicing Christians.
“Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.” Trouble is I still have to duck with all the rocks flying around..even on Thanksgiving! Thank you for all you do Frank, from one humble servant to another.
“I have never claimed to be a perfect anything, except maybe a perfect ass, but never a perfect Christian, we are all broken.”
Frank, You have a real mean streak in you and you just like to hurt people. You’re hateful and mean and self centered. Your posts bear this out and your actions betray your kind words. I wish you were able to look in the mirror and see yourself as others see you, your life would change immediately.
You use glib comments to deny what the truth really is about your behavior but those glib comments are only to keep the fear of the truth of what people are saying from your personal realization. In essence Frank, you are a total loser and puppet and are being orchestrated by those who are pulling the strings. Only you can change that reality.
Frankie,
STOP being such a Kuhngushad !!!!
You talk a good Christian game , but everyone knows you think , talk and write more like a Islamic Lesbiman. You think you are great, but you really are full of Shiite.
On Thanksgiving day, a senior staffer to Republican Rep. Stephen Fincher (8th District Tennessee) took to her Facebook page and chastised Obama’s daughters as well as their parents:
“Dear Sasha and Malia, I get you’re both in those awful teen years, but you’re part of the First Family, try showing a little class. At least respect the part you play. Then again your mother and father don’t respect their positions very much, or the nation for that matter, so I’m guessing you’re coming up a little short in the “good role model” department. Nevertheless, stretch yourself. Rise to the occasion. Act like being in the White House matters to you. Dress like you deserve respect, not a spot at a bar. And certainly don’t make faces during televised, public events.”
Only after her posting went viral did the writer, Elizabeth Lauten, post an apology:
“When I first posted on Facebook I reacted to an article and I quickly judged the two young ladies in a way that I would never have wanted to be judged myself as a teenager. After many hours of prayer, talking to my parents, and re-reading my words online I can see more clearly just how hurtful my words were. Please know, those judgmental feelings truly have no place in my heart. Furthermore, I’d like to apologize to all of those who I have hurt and offended with my words, and I pledge to learn and grow (and I assure you I have) from this experience.”
Make no mistake: Lauten spoke from the heart in the first instance. She invoked God and family into her apology only as part of a calculated strategy of damage control.
And that’s the kind of hypocrisy that Frank calls out and is criticized for.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2854226/Dress-like-deserve-respect-not-spot-bar-GOP-staffer-calls-Malia-Sasha-Obama-classless-outrageous-cyber-bullying-Facebook-post.html
Me thinks Sasha and Malia got it right. Such an insipid media event does not deserve any respect.
Who gives a damn?
I admit it. I threw a grenade at you. You drop bombs all day long every day. So I get to throw a grenade once in a while. You reference matt 6:9-13 and challenge me. You ignored matt 6:6 when you posted your original prayer. In doing so, you have opened the door to criticism (not judgement). Jesus instructs us to pray together in matt 18:19,20. He also instructs us to acknowledge Him before others in matt 10:32,33. You choose to be politically correct and leave Jesus out of your public prayer. Those of us that realize the only hope we have is in Jesus are bound to pray in His name in hope that others will follow Him, not some generic God of their choosing. When you pray for the souls of your enemies, what is it that you pray will happen to their souls? You constantly oppose others on moral grounds yet you try to deny it. Isn’t opposing people that are pro choice opposing them on a moral ground? And you certainly have tremendous dislike for your enemies. It is easy to see in your evil look of disdain when you address your enemies in public. I can’t imagine how horrible it must be for you to carry so much hate around with you all the time. Cheer up. Try saying nice things to people for a change. Was this an intelligent enough way to discuss the bible for you? You must admit, it may cause some of your readers to open the bible and see what I have referenced which is always a good thing. I look forward to your response
Frank, you just ain’t Jesus enough for these folks. SMMFH.
Yadontsay, you have the problem of thinking that everyone must pray as you do, I again ask, what is your qualifications to tell me or anyone how to pray?
You also seem to think you can know what is in another person’s heart, what leads you to believe this?
I offered a Thanksgiving day sentiment with the best of intentions and you and others chose to turn it into this conversation. So I can only assume that your view of Christianity is to attack others that you don’t feel come up to your personal standards of Christianity. I don’t know, but am pretty sure Jesus spoke about judging other’s sin.
As for opposing people who are prochoice, well if you check any of my writing on this issue, though I feel their is a moral issue, I base it on our laws against murder, not my personal faith. I also base my arguments about when life begins on science, not my personal believe that God creates all life.
Your excuse for not praying in Christ’s name does not hold water. Jesus spoke those words during the sermon on the mount. He had not yet revealed his divinity at that time. Therefore, it follows he would not have instructed the listeners to pray in his name. You asked for this debate. Please try to come up with a biblical answer to the points I’ve made. Or just concede. .
yadontsay, but you have made no point backed up by the Bible. I gave you a quote to show that The Christ never told us to pray in his name. If you can show me where Jesus instructed us to pray in his name I am open to reading it. Or just concede.
Gragg, GROSSman and KKKnotts:
REPENT ye sinners. REPENT ye of thy Whoredom, lest the wrath of the Lord fall upon thee as it befell the Sodomites, Philistines and heretics.
For all of the God Squad MPs out there, (MP stands for Messiah Police), several here believed themselves my religious betters. Seems as a friend said to me, “you ain’t Jesus enough for’em ”
Seems I had the unmitigated nerve to offer a prayer, and in their eyes, “failed” to close it by calling on Jesus.
Well there is a good chance that these folks would be supporters of Lacey Lafferty. This was the prayer she offered at the end of her monthly news letter.
“May God’s blessing come to you a thousand fold; May the love in your heart never get old; and may you find treasures more precious than gold. Have a Blessed Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family. Be safe traveling throughout Delaware during the Holiday Season!”
Now notice that Ms. Lafferty did not evoke the name of Jesus in this prayer.
I will now await those who criticized me for this to now condemn Ms. Lafferty, or prove yourself the sniveling hypocrites we know you to be.
In Mat 6:9-13, Christ’s instructions show a manner or example of prayer. He certainly didn’t expect or instruct us to repeat that prayer over and over again. The quote does not show that Christ “never told us to pray in his name” nor does it show the opposite, that we should always pray in his name. The quote says nothing at all about the topic. Therefore, it cannot defend your position. I look forward to any verses you can show me that prove or disprove he “never told us to pray in his name”. Those verses do not exist. In Mat 10:32, Christ instructs us to admit his existence befroe others here on earth and by doing so he will accept us into heaven. He encourages us to use his name, no matter if it is in prayer or in discipleship. You are welcome to leave his name out of every one of your prayers whether they are in public or private. You have free will to choose that route. However, everyone that denies Jesus here on earth… Well, you know the rest. And those are his words, not mine.
Yadomtsay, since I never said that Christ instructed us to never pray in his name, there no need for me to back it up. You were the one who started this by criticizing me for the prayer I offered, so my question still remains, what certification do you have?
I also asked where you came about the idea that you must pray in his name? And as of yet you have given no Bible quotes to back up you assertion.
You can’t win our little debate so instead you have tried to deflect it and hide behind a woman. I am not sure Lacey has ever professed her faith in Christ because I have not followed her campaign. You do profess your faith in Christ, don’t you? Maybe I am mistaken? BTW, I do not consider myself your religious better. That’s part of the problem Frank. I know you know better. Than what you are writing. You know acknowledging Christ is the better thing to do. You are only afraid to proclaim because of what others might think or say about you. Will he deny you some day too?
FK Dec 1, 2014 @ 9:52 PM: “I gave you a quote to show that Christ never told us to pray in his name”. Are you denying you wrote this? Has someone hacked into your site and is now posting under your name? What happened to your initial threat on 11/28 in which you wrote: “I will be waiting, now be warned…so if you would like to discuss the Bible…then let’s go”. Am I giving more than you can take? Show me where I ever said you must pray in his name. I did not criticize your prayer. I merely pointed out that you were taking a day off from persecuting your enemies. All in all, it was a great prayer. But I’ve heard you do better.
Yadontsay, I apologize, it was someone using the name Moabite, it becomes hard to distinguish the haters.
I know of no place in the Bible where Jesus instructed us to pray in his name, if that is correct, then he never told us to pray in his name, if I am wrong then show me, please. How can I prove a negative? I also do not believe that Jesus ever addressed it in the negative, he never said you must never pray in my name.
The real point here is, who among us is arrogant enough to think they have the authority to tell others how to pray?
It is amazing how I keep pointing you to matt 10:32 and you ignore it as if it doesn’t exist. You are the person that got defensive over a comment regarding the omission of Christ’s name, quoted the bible and dared anyone to prove you wrong so I’d say it is you that thinks they have the authority to tell others how to pray (notice I did not describe you as arrogant?). Moabite is entitled to his opinion, you can’t defend your position, and no one here is being arrogant. Especially me.
Yadontsay, true to your name you have said nothing. Matthew 10:32 does not tell us to pray in the name of Jesus. I have told no one how they should or should not pray, I merely was responding to being criticized for the prayer I offered. I then asked why they felt that way. The real issue here is why anyone felt the need to tell others how to pray.
I point out Matt 10:32 and you ignore it without comment. You deliver a public prayer, someone else points out you left our savior out of it, you get defensive, quote the bible to defend your prayer, challenge anyone to debate you about the bible and when you get what you asked for you deflect back to calling whoever it was “arrogant”. It seems to me that you are the person that thinks you have the authority to tell others how to pray. I, on the other hand, have encouraged you twice to pray anyway you want. Just remember our Lord loves it when you acknowledge Him before others and go ahead and disavow Him at your own risk. I am not as brave as you are. Thanks for the apology. You are forgiven.
And for the win:
“And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask for anything in my name, and I will do it.
John 14: 13, 14
Point, game, set and match.
Holier than thou.
You mean if you don’t say the name “Jesus”, using “Lord” instead, then it doesn’t count? That’s probably the silliest thing I’ve ever heard!
Yadontsay, your one comment was a great recap of the thread, from your point of view. Matthew 10:32 talks of denial. I have no where denied Jesus as my savior, in fact I have witnessed him here.
You want to equate the prayer that was offered, as denying Jesus? Am I correct?
Now let me take you on a reading comprehension course.
Please go back and read the prayer that was offered, notice the use of the words, “we”, “our”, “ourselves”, “us”. No where did I use the words, me, myself or I. I was offering a public prayer to our readers and speaking for others involved here at DR, and since all people are not the same, I did not show the arrogance that others have, and presume to pray “FOR” them in the sense of “HOW” to pray, as the prayer infers, we should pray for everyone, and since the prayer was for the souls of others, and not myself, why would I make a promise that the others were praying in his name? First of all I can’t know their hearts, and there is only one soul I can actually save in this world, my own, this is what is meant when the Lord tells us, that we can only come to the Father through the Son, we cannot come to the Father by following the words of other men and women, we can only come to the Father through the words of Jesus.
This is why I asked for reference from the Bible.
Others here feel that they are “IN CHARGE” of prayer.
I merely offered a prayer to the “LORD” and was criticized for doing so. I can only assume that these people would have the same problem with anyone who does not conform to their religious beliefs. Such as Jewish people, atheist, and Muslims. Would they go on a public site and criticize a Rabi for not saying Jesus in a prayer?
One wonders if some of these MPs were to be elected, and some have been, what political agenda would they be pushing?
Now as for the so called win?
You quoted John 14:13-14 which does instruct us to pray in Jesus’ name, unfortunately you must have done a word search on some Bible site, and as many do fail to read in context of the entire chapter, book or Bible.
This just so happens to be the chapter in which Jesus reveals his divinity in John 14:6-12.
“John 14 King James Version (KJV)
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”
So after this point when Jesus is telling his disciples to pray in his name, he is actually telling them to pray to God or Father, or Lord.
I would also point you to Matthew 6:1-8, remember it takes a whole Bible to know God.
In Matthew 6 Jesus says,
“6 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him””
So you see, it doesn’t matter whether or not I verbalize, or write out my prayer, the Lord already knows it before I do. It is only those who seek public glory for their protestations of faith that feel the need to verbalize and broadcast their “SHOW” of faith with little real understanding of the Bible for themselves, but merely regurgitate something they learned from another broken being who had been ordained by other broken beings. We are all broken.
The one important idea to keep in mind, in my personal view, we are all children of Abraham.
I didn’t have to do a word search. A friend reminded me of the verse. I am glad to see you are spending so much time in the bible over this. I am sure you must know that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one in three and therefore Christ was instructing us to ask for things (supplication) in His name. I do not equate the Lord’s prayer as denying Christ. It merely does not mention him by his given name. I love that prayer and recite it daily. You have now quoted Matt 6:6, yet you provided a public prayer, asked for debate and have become sarcastic when you’ve gotten what you asked for. By the way, we are not all children of Abraham. We are all children of the God of Abraham, the one true God, but we are not all children of Abraham (and I didn’t have to do a word search to correct you on this either).