Open Thread

refugees1  President Trump has launched a military strike on Syria in response to the Chemical attack by the Assad administration. All it will take is one dead Russian for this to escalate out of control very quickly.

23 Comments on "Open Thread"

  1. waterpirate says:

    Although chemical attacks are a horrific thing, Why are we still acting as the worlds police force? Were Americans harmed, killed, or threatened? I condemn Trumps action, both from a fiscal standpoint, and a policy standpoint.

  2. theantitrump says:

    Ironically the king of the conspiracy theories may have fallen for one himself.

  3. fightingbluehen says:

    We bombed Syria while the President of China is staying at Trump’s house.

    A very Westernized President of Syria still denies that the Syrian government is using chemical weapons. What would be the benefit of using chemical weapons at this point knowing what the world response would be? It doesn’t make any sense on it’s own.

    I’d like to think that this operation was in support of the victims of the chemical attacks, but I assume that there are other far reaching factors involved. (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea)

    I’m hoping that this is just a one off, and that the Trump administration isn’t planing to increase activity in the region, a la Arab Spring style (“We came, we saw, he died”)….How has that worked out so far?

  4. theantitrump says:

    He needed to do something to boost his approval rating!

  5. Honi Soit says:

    FBH seems to be saying that we should take Assad at his word because he is “very westernized”. Jeez.

    And then FBH writes that it would make no sense to use chemical weapons on the rebels knowing what the world response would be. The world took no military action against Assad when he used chemical weapons on several occasions in the past. Plus Trump has gone on record many times opposing military action in Syria. Plus Trump is chummy with Putin–Assad’s patron. In short Assad had every reason to think that Trump would do nothing. Minimal or no risk he thought. But what about the benefit? FBH can see none. How’s about demoralization of the Rebels when they find that no one will come to help them after they are attacked with illegal chemical weapons?

  6. fightingbluehen says:

    Well, if indeed Assad was the one who used the chemical weapons; shouldn’t the previous administration owe some kind of an explanation? I thought Obama and Kerry dealt with this problem already. You know, crossing the “red line” and such.

  7. Honi Soit says:

    When Assad used chemical weapons he crossed Obama’s red line but he was pretty confident Obama would not take military action because the US had no stomach for It after Iraq and Afghanistan. He was right. Obama punted to congress for authorization. Congress looked the other way. In the end Obama agreed to a deal that Putin brokered to dispose of all of Assad’s chemical agents. Why anyone would trust Putin or Assad I don’t know. Maybe because they are very westernized? Right.

  8. Frank Knotts says:

    Okay, let me get in on the conspiracy theory game here. Not sure why anyone would doubt Assad has, and would use chemical weapons, since he has in the past. Are these the same people who denied Saddam had them?
    But how about this. Let us not forget there are still unanswered questions about just how close the Putin and Trump administration are.
    We know Pres. Trump has stated he wants to build up the military, and I don’t think there has ever been a Russian leader who doesn’t like a good missile parade.
    So what is the best way to justify an arms race? Well nothing better than a good conflict with another world super power.
    So is it possible it went down like this? Putin has Assad use the chemical weapons, knowing the UN and the world will do nothing. Then his new best friend launches missiles. Which by the way, the U.S. gave notice to Russia prior to launching. Gee, do you suppose Putin called Assad and told him to put the jets inside. it’s about to rain?
    So you get a chemical attack by Assad, which he would do anyway, you get a meaningless missile attack, and Russia and the U.S. have a reason to go to their citizens and push for larger military presence.

  9. Rick says:

    Let the Muslims kill each other; it’s what they do. Always have, always will.

    At least when they’re committing atrocities against each other, they’re not killing and maiming Westerners. Islam means submit; and you must submit or die.

    So now they use poison gas instead of swords (except during ceremonial mass beheadings). Who says Islam hasn’t evolved?

    It’s amazing that Muslims are still fighting over the chain of succession of a man who died 1500 years ago. That tells you all you need to know about the Muslim mind.

  10. fightingbluehen says:

    Deception comes in different forms. I don’t necessarily trust the Syrians. I don’t trust any scenario or narrative these days, and I definitely don’t trust the Russians.

    You hear people like McCaine, Lyndsey Graham, Marko Rubio, Hillary Clinton, all sounding the war drums. They all sound like a bunch of salesmen for the military-industrial complex.

    If Assad did in fact use chemical weapons, then he does need to be pulled out of a hole like Saddam Hussien or worse… subjected to Hillary’s “We came, we saw, he died” scenario.

    Doesn’t it seem strange though, that a widely known so called “humanitarian” woman would stay with a man that uses chemical weapons on his own people. And isn’t it bizarre that she very well may end up being pulled out of a hole like Saddam Hussein, or even worse.

  11. fightingbluehen says:

    Ron Paul’s take on it:

  12. Frank Knotts says:

    Rick, if you are going to attack something at least do it honestly. You have made this statement before about the meaning of Islam. You always say it means to submit. What its actual meaning is “submit to God”. I am not saying that some have not corrupted this meaning for their own reasons, after all man corrupts all things. Much in the way your mistating the meaning of Islam is a form of corruption.

  13. Honi Soit says:

    I’ll add my 2 cents to the etymology of the word “Islam”. It is derived from the word for “peace”, as shown in the Arabic greeting “Salam aleikum” (Peace be upon you). This as opposed to the standard greeting in English of “hi” or “hey there” or “yo.” Aren’t we the classy ones?

    The idea here is that peace is to be found in submission to the will of God.

  14. Rick says:

    LOL. “Peace.”

    All they do is kill.

    “Kill the Christian, Jew and the Gay man too…Woman, hide thy face and hold thy tongue. Submit. Praise Allah!”

  15. Rick says:

    Rick, if you are going to attack something at least do it honestly. You have made this statement before about the meaning of Islam. You always say it means to submit. What its actual meaning is “submit to God”…

    Wrong, know-it-all….

    Submit and click here

  16. allahrick says:

    The actions taken by 45 was a way to boost his historic low approval rating. Nothing more, nothing less.

  17. Honi Soit says:

    Rick cites WikiIslam. Google it and you’ll find that it has an anti-Islam bias. Just like Rick, who makes the preposterous claim that all Muslims do is kill. If 22 billion Muslims do nothing but kill, I think we’d hear about it. Unless of course we are dead.

  18. Honi Soit says:

    “Kill the Christian, Jew and the Gay man too…Woman, hide thy face and hold thy tongue. Submit. Praise Allah!”

    Rick presses into service once again a quote that he–and only he–uses. I have asked repeatedly for him to cite who said these words. Never a response.

  19. fightingbluehen says:

    it’s a hypothetical quote referring to the beliefs and actions of a substantial percentage of the followers of Islam…..There is nothing in the quote that is inaccurate in that context?

  20. mouse says:

    He’s a secret Muslim

  21. Honi Soit says:

    FBH: A hypothetical quote, is it???? You can’t make this crap up. Let’s leave it that Rick can’t attribute the quote to anyone other than himself, which as mouse points out makes Rick a closet Muslim. A radicalized, violent extremist Muslim. He should be on some watch list–one other than mine.

    But let’s have a look at your claim that a “substantial percentage” of the followers of Islam want to kill Christians, Jews, and Gays–just men apparently; lesbians are OK. Is that just a hypothetical number or can you clue us in on your source?

  22. Frank Knotts says:

    As I have said before, if even a simple majority, 51% of the millions of Muslims in the world were dedicated to killing non-Muslims, there would be no stopping them. The actual percentage of radicalized Muslims is no where near that. Attitudes like Rick’s actually creates more radicals.

  23. Rick says:

    An internet post from a practitioner of the “Religion of Peace”…

    …..”The Egyptian Abu Abdullah Almassri” was jubilant. He wrote: “Allah, Allah, our beloved brothers in Egypt, the country we left reluctantly but to which we will return as liberators. You, the mujahedeen of Welayat Sinai, should carry out more suicide attacks. Our brothers who have infiltrated the security forces, strike hard. We, your Egyptian brethren, stand right behind you. Unravel this criminal regime. Allah, bless the Islamic State and its soldiers.”

    We need a modern Crusade. Send ’em to Allah and their 72 virgins.

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